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Our range of products includes stationary craps tables, folding craps tables and craps table tops. Our craps accessories include professional serialized dice, rattan sticks, on/off pucks, dice boats, and more. We can also design a custom craps layout to further enhance your craps table. Craps dice stick 24 inch Flexible wood, same as seen in all major casinos Also know as rattan stick Used by the craps dealer stickman to retrieve the dice after it is thrown.Engineer
I would like to start a discussion of favorite table positions, and your reasons for choosing the position. It may be you are just comfortable, where you first began shooting from, or because it’s a shorter distance. For that matter it may be any reason, left or right handed et cetera.
I of course invite the Irishsetter, Heavy, Professor and the rest of the group to jump right in and let us know what positions he or she prefers to shoot from and maybe some the reasons why.
Although you don’t have to use this terminology I will start with designations of the positions as SL1 (stick left immediate) SL2 (two out), SL3 (hook), SL4 & SL5 (ends of the table) and the SR1, SR2 et cetera.
I have already thrown out some of the reasons why, all you have to do is let us know the details to your preferences.
irishsetter
Favorite position? I just came up with an idea for a book! The Kama Sutra of Craps!
Anyway, I prefer SL1 and 2 or SR1 and 2. Love the short distance, generally like to chat up the stick a bit before I shoot. On the other hand, I practice for other positions. For instance I throw a 3 fingered, top, diagonal grip if I’m on a long table or throwing straight out. I don’t like the idea of limiting my opportunities to shoot, because ’my spot’ is unavailable. Even out of position, I’m a better shooter than the chicken feeders...
roadrunner
I am right handed and my Favorite positions (best hands from)are L1, L2 and R1.
I have had some good hands from the ends (L4 R4). But it is harder to run a mile than 100 yards. I don’t shoot from those positions anymore.
Crowding the stickman sometimes becomes a problem at L1 and R1 but can generally be overcome with a dealer bet or two or just some good conversation.
shootitall
If it is a 12’ table, makes little difference, ends are fine also. On longer tables, S 1 or 2 is fine, makes no difference r or l. IF I am in the dp/dc mood, I like the dl position and not shoot. However there is one position I detest, that is square in the hook. That throws off my thinking, my playing, my attitude because the table just doesn’t ’fit’.
Mickey D
As long as I’m on top I don’t care what...Oh, Oh, no wait.....Oh yeah, Um My best results, as a righty, come from SR2.5 And my game has grown to the point where I actually look forward to throwing from SL4 which used to give me the willies. I wish I could do better from SR1 but its too close for my throw or my head!? It seems that I can’t get the dice on axis when I try and throw them with the softness that that position calls for. As I move away from the wall the distance helps deplete some of the energy in the toss and I can really get them on axis from that farther distance. In any event, the key is definitely to be able to throw from at least two positions to be a better player and to give yourself more opportunities to ’Get in the Game.’
KRUE
Straight out is the best position for me . I’ve tried shooting from the other positions , but shooting straight out from the ends of the table works best for me .
I always look for empty tables so I can get the dice quickly. If my favorite spot isnt available then I wont play there . So its off to the next casino in search of my favorite spot.
I rarely risk my money on other shooters .. but if i see the tables is hot then I wont hesitate to squeeze in and play anywhere,as long as Im in the game.Craps Table Dice Stick
Dominator
I am a firm beleiver that it is very hrd to become good at 1 or 2 positions let alone all of them. SL 1 or 2 , or SR 1 or 2 is where I play from, and I will only play at postion 2 if position 1 is occupied by a friend of mine that can move away so I can get closer to position 1 by creeping up. End if table is a position I will not shoot from. When you add this added distance to the error factor it is multiplied. I know that sometimes the tables are crowded and you have driven 2 hours to get to your local casino, but when this happens I will just wait it out. Almost all of the time I will get my spot in 30 minutes or so. I will look at all the tables and see what player has the least amount of chips in their rack and just stand there and wait. I want all the advantage I can get when I am investing my hard earned money.
FullOfCraps
SR1 or SR2 has to be my best position, i’m not sure if i throw correctly, so i tend to stay closer, i feel i can get more control and have a softer landing this way, it is also easier to keep the dice on axis.
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Heavy
Well, a lot of this has to do with table conditions. How long is the table? What is the condition of the layout? Are there any dead spots? How many other players are there? What are their table positions and what is there betting action? Let’s start at the top.
On a 14 foot table I like the first position left of stick. That puts me shooting from about 8 - 10 feet out. On a 12 foot table I also like the first position stick left - however I slide a half step to the left and ’spread out’ so I’m still shooting from 8-10 feet out. Alright - this is the length I pitch from in practice most often - so I go for that range - despite the table position.
Second favorite position is stick right - from the same distances for the same reasons.
Third favorite is straight out on a 12 - 14 footer. I use a different pre-set and grip from this distance and put more backspin on the dice. I had several HUGE hands in Vegas last trip from straight out. Even conservative betting old Long Arm made money on one of them.
Last on the list - dealer first or the hook - I’m not crazy about this spot but I’ll shoot from it if I have to - shooting diagonally into the opposite corner. I’ve had some very good hands at this position shooting the crossed sixes. I recall one hand throwing maybe a dozen fives in twenty or so rolls - that was huge.
The condition of the layout is important in determining playing position. Some layouts are bouncier than others - so I prefer to cut down the length of the toss on those. If there are dead spots those work better on longer length tables.
Obviously, I’d prefer not to be shooting into a bunch of player action - so if the north end of the table is loaded and the south end is empty - I’m likely to join the boys on the north end so I can shoot at the empty end. Likewise - I try to avoid shooting into the corner when there’s a big don’t player present. Not concerned about him so much as some of those big lay bets they put out there. Again, it’s that chips on the layout thing I’m trying to avoid.
Guys - if you do not practice at a variety of positions you are cutting yourself short when you get to the casino. Still - if you will pick a specific distance to practice from - then step off that distance at the tables when you get to the casinos and choose your shooting position - this is much less of a concern.
Engineer
Everyone’s view points are quit interesting.
I can see the shooting position is a very personal thing among craps shooters. With precision shooting control and accuracy from the closest position possible is probably recommended for the softest delivery for the controlled throw. The distance itself would cut down on the velocity necessary to find your target with a soft throw.
If one or two particular positions are much more beneficial for the shooter (I know that this can be true on the extra long 14’ tables) it may wise to add the “Wait until your position is available.” rule to your discipline.
If you’ve reached this point in your development as a Controlled Shooter, then you understand that even slight variations in your grip, backspin, alignment, etc., will result in potentially dramatic differences in the results you achieve.
Unfortunately, I had to learn the hard way, that the table position you select can also have a dramatic impact on the success of your controlled throws.
LET ME EXPLAIN
After practicing a controlled toss for several months, I had gotten to the point where my dice were symmetrically traveling through the air with a controlled backspin, the dice were landing softly on my target zone, touching the diamonds lightly and I was achieving pretty solid results staying on-axis and avoiding the seven.
While I realized there was still a lot of work to do in perfecting my throw, it was time to bring my newly learned skill to the casino and try it out.
Most dice coaches recommend that, depending on your toss style, you select either spot #1 or #2 to the right or left of the stick at the craps table. By selecting either the #1 or #2 spot, it gives you a much shorter distance to backwall with the thought that, the less distance you deal with, the more control you will have with the dice.
There is a lot of merit to that thought process, and since I was tossing right to left, I selected ‘R1’ and waited my turn with the dice. When the dice were slid to me, I quickly set them, gripped and tossed just like I had practiced.
Instead of landing softly and lightly touching the diamonds, my dice were hitting the target zone squarely, but then launching into the diamonds which caused the dice to scatter all over the table and produce completely random results.
Extremely disappointed, I went back to my practice layout, tossed the dice, and everything seemed to work fine. Disappointment turned to confusion and it wasn’t until two days later that the solution dawned on me.
The craps table at the casino was a 12 foot table, which means the inside of the table, after accounting for the rails, is just over 11 feet. The stick then, is at 5 ½ feet, so I was throwing from about 6 ½ feet. When I checked my practice area, I was practicing from just over 8 feet. The extra 1 ½ feet in my practice area required more energy to deliver the dice to the backwall than at the casino. That additional energy in my throw caused the dice to launch into the diamonds instead touching them lightly on the shorter table.
A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO TABLE POSITION
I now personally use, and coach others, on a very different approach to table position than the general advice that’s out there. It still involves keeping the distance of your throw as short as possible to maintain the greatest level of control, but it eliminates the need to alter your throw from table to table.
While you can find smaller tables, most craps tables are 12 or 14 feet long, and you’re now beginning to see some 16 foot craps tables is some casinos.
As you can see from the tables above, there is a big difference in the ‘R1’ or ‘L1’ distance between 12, 14 and 16 foot tables.
Every craps table at the casino has its own variables you’ll need to account for and potentially adjust your toss for;
*Bounciness of the table
*Type of cloth used on the table top
*Hardness of the back wall diamonds, and
*Sharpness of the dice edges
KEYS TO SUCCESS
Our goal is to eliminate distance as a variable and allow you to focus on the slight variations needed for the above conditions.
*Research the casinos that you’ll be playing at, and what size tables they have
*Ex: You play at 3 casinos that employ both 12 and 14 foot craps tables
*Identify the shortest table position that accommodates the craps tables you’ll play
*In the example above, using 12 and 14 foot tables, ‘R1’ and ‘L1’ on the 14 foot table would accommodate both
*Set up your practice area to mimic the distance you’ve determined in step #2
*A 14 foot table is approximately 13 feet from rubber to rubber
*The stick would then be approximately at 6 ½ feet
*‘R1’ and ‘L1’ would be approximately 7 ½ to 8 feet from the opposite diamonds
*Set your practice area to toss from 7 ½ to 8 feet from your landing zone
*Regardless of the length of the craps table at the casino, position yourself 7 ½ to 8 feet from the opposite diamonds
*On a 14 foot table, that will be ‘R1’ or ‘L1’
*Ona 12 foot table, that will likely be ‘R2’ or ‘L2’Craps Table Dice Sticks
In the above example, if your preferred position is at the ends of the tables, then you’ll need to set up practice distances of both 11 and 13 feet to accommodate both.
You should find this as helpful as our students have, at creating parity and consistency between your ‘at home’ practice sessions and the live conditions at the casino.
For more information on becoming a Controlled Shooter and flipping the odds on the casino, check out…
.Craps Secrets has merged with the Black Chip ClubPlease visit us at BlackChipClub.com
.Craps Table Dice Stick Tiles*****************
If you have any questions, suggestions or recommendations, feel free to leave them in the comments section below.
In the meantime…Craps Dice Stick
BEST OF LUCK AT THE CASINOS!!!
Register here: http://gg.gg/vcwjx
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*Craps Table Dice Stick
*Craps Table Dice Sticks
*Craps Table Dice Stick Tiles
*Craps Dice StickTable PositionPlease remember! These are archives! The Dice Setter message board was shut down. What is published here are just a few of the threads documenting the early days of dice setting strategies and opinions written by the pioneers of dice influencing.
Our range of products includes stationary craps tables, folding craps tables and craps table tops. Our craps accessories include professional serialized dice, rattan sticks, on/off pucks, dice boats, and more. We can also design a custom craps layout to further enhance your craps table. Craps dice stick 24 inch Flexible wood, same as seen in all major casinos Also know as rattan stick Used by the craps dealer stickman to retrieve the dice after it is thrown.Engineer
I would like to start a discussion of favorite table positions, and your reasons for choosing the position. It may be you are just comfortable, where you first began shooting from, or because it’s a shorter distance. For that matter it may be any reason, left or right handed et cetera.
I of course invite the Irishsetter, Heavy, Professor and the rest of the group to jump right in and let us know what positions he or she prefers to shoot from and maybe some the reasons why.
Although you don’t have to use this terminology I will start with designations of the positions as SL1 (stick left immediate) SL2 (two out), SL3 (hook), SL4 & SL5 (ends of the table) and the SR1, SR2 et cetera.
I have already thrown out some of the reasons why, all you have to do is let us know the details to your preferences.
irishsetter
Favorite position? I just came up with an idea for a book! The Kama Sutra of Craps!
Anyway, I prefer SL1 and 2 or SR1 and 2. Love the short distance, generally like to chat up the stick a bit before I shoot. On the other hand, I practice for other positions. For instance I throw a 3 fingered, top, diagonal grip if I’m on a long table or throwing straight out. I don’t like the idea of limiting my opportunities to shoot, because ’my spot’ is unavailable. Even out of position, I’m a better shooter than the chicken feeders...
roadrunner
I am right handed and my Favorite positions (best hands from)are L1, L2 and R1.
I have had some good hands from the ends (L4 R4). But it is harder to run a mile than 100 yards. I don’t shoot from those positions anymore.
Crowding the stickman sometimes becomes a problem at L1 and R1 but can generally be overcome with a dealer bet or two or just some good conversation.
shootitall
If it is a 12’ table, makes little difference, ends are fine also. On longer tables, S 1 or 2 is fine, makes no difference r or l. IF I am in the dp/dc mood, I like the dl position and not shoot. However there is one position I detest, that is square in the hook. That throws off my thinking, my playing, my attitude because the table just doesn’t ’fit’.
Mickey D
As long as I’m on top I don’t care what...Oh, Oh, no wait.....Oh yeah, Um My best results, as a righty, come from SR2.5 And my game has grown to the point where I actually look forward to throwing from SL4 which used to give me the willies. I wish I could do better from SR1 but its too close for my throw or my head!? It seems that I can’t get the dice on axis when I try and throw them with the softness that that position calls for. As I move away from the wall the distance helps deplete some of the energy in the toss and I can really get them on axis from that farther distance. In any event, the key is definitely to be able to throw from at least two positions to be a better player and to give yourself more opportunities to ’Get in the Game.’
KRUE
Straight out is the best position for me . I’ve tried shooting from the other positions , but shooting straight out from the ends of the table works best for me .
I always look for empty tables so I can get the dice quickly. If my favorite spot isnt available then I wont play there . So its off to the next casino in search of my favorite spot.
I rarely risk my money on other shooters .. but if i see the tables is hot then I wont hesitate to squeeze in and play anywhere,as long as Im in the game.Craps Table Dice Stick
Dominator
I am a firm beleiver that it is very hrd to become good at 1 or 2 positions let alone all of them. SL 1 or 2 , or SR 1 or 2 is where I play from, and I will only play at postion 2 if position 1 is occupied by a friend of mine that can move away so I can get closer to position 1 by creeping up. End if table is a position I will not shoot from. When you add this added distance to the error factor it is multiplied. I know that sometimes the tables are crowded and you have driven 2 hours to get to your local casino, but when this happens I will just wait it out. Almost all of the time I will get my spot in 30 minutes or so. I will look at all the tables and see what player has the least amount of chips in their rack and just stand there and wait. I want all the advantage I can get when I am investing my hard earned money.
FullOfCraps
SR1 or SR2 has to be my best position, i’m not sure if i throw correctly, so i tend to stay closer, i feel i can get more control and have a softer landing this way, it is also easier to keep the dice on axis.
Best poker glasses. Not Poker Sunglasses, Poker Eyewear.
Heavy
Well, a lot of this has to do with table conditions. How long is the table? What is the condition of the layout? Are there any dead spots? How many other players are there? What are their table positions and what is there betting action? Let’s start at the top.
On a 14 foot table I like the first position left of stick. That puts me shooting from about 8 - 10 feet out. On a 12 foot table I also like the first position stick left - however I slide a half step to the left and ’spread out’ so I’m still shooting from 8-10 feet out. Alright - this is the length I pitch from in practice most often - so I go for that range - despite the table position.
Second favorite position is stick right - from the same distances for the same reasons.
Third favorite is straight out on a 12 - 14 footer. I use a different pre-set and grip from this distance and put more backspin on the dice. I had several HUGE hands in Vegas last trip from straight out. Even conservative betting old Long Arm made money on one of them.
Last on the list - dealer first or the hook - I’m not crazy about this spot but I’ll shoot from it if I have to - shooting diagonally into the opposite corner. I’ve had some very good hands at this position shooting the crossed sixes. I recall one hand throwing maybe a dozen fives in twenty or so rolls - that was huge.
The condition of the layout is important in determining playing position. Some layouts are bouncier than others - so I prefer to cut down the length of the toss on those. If there are dead spots those work better on longer length tables.
Obviously, I’d prefer not to be shooting into a bunch of player action - so if the north end of the table is loaded and the south end is empty - I’m likely to join the boys on the north end so I can shoot at the empty end. Likewise - I try to avoid shooting into the corner when there’s a big don’t player present. Not concerned about him so much as some of those big lay bets they put out there. Again, it’s that chips on the layout thing I’m trying to avoid.
Guys - if you do not practice at a variety of positions you are cutting yourself short when you get to the casino. Still - if you will pick a specific distance to practice from - then step off that distance at the tables when you get to the casinos and choose your shooting position - this is much less of a concern.
Engineer
Everyone’s view points are quit interesting.
I can see the shooting position is a very personal thing among craps shooters. With precision shooting control and accuracy from the closest position possible is probably recommended for the softest delivery for the controlled throw. The distance itself would cut down on the velocity necessary to find your target with a soft throw.
If one or two particular positions are much more beneficial for the shooter (I know that this can be true on the extra long 14’ tables) it may wise to add the “Wait until your position is available.” rule to your discipline.
If you’ve reached this point in your development as a Controlled Shooter, then you understand that even slight variations in your grip, backspin, alignment, etc., will result in potentially dramatic differences in the results you achieve.
Unfortunately, I had to learn the hard way, that the table position you select can also have a dramatic impact on the success of your controlled throws.
LET ME EXPLAIN
After practicing a controlled toss for several months, I had gotten to the point where my dice were symmetrically traveling through the air with a controlled backspin, the dice were landing softly on my target zone, touching the diamonds lightly and I was achieving pretty solid results staying on-axis and avoiding the seven.
While I realized there was still a lot of work to do in perfecting my throw, it was time to bring my newly learned skill to the casino and try it out.
Most dice coaches recommend that, depending on your toss style, you select either spot #1 or #2 to the right or left of the stick at the craps table. By selecting either the #1 or #2 spot, it gives you a much shorter distance to backwall with the thought that, the less distance you deal with, the more control you will have with the dice.
There is a lot of merit to that thought process, and since I was tossing right to left, I selected ‘R1’ and waited my turn with the dice. When the dice were slid to me, I quickly set them, gripped and tossed just like I had practiced.
Instead of landing softly and lightly touching the diamonds, my dice were hitting the target zone squarely, but then launching into the diamonds which caused the dice to scatter all over the table and produce completely random results.
Extremely disappointed, I went back to my practice layout, tossed the dice, and everything seemed to work fine. Disappointment turned to confusion and it wasn’t until two days later that the solution dawned on me.
The craps table at the casino was a 12 foot table, which means the inside of the table, after accounting for the rails, is just over 11 feet. The stick then, is at 5 ½ feet, so I was throwing from about 6 ½ feet. When I checked my practice area, I was practicing from just over 8 feet. The extra 1 ½ feet in my practice area required more energy to deliver the dice to the backwall than at the casino. That additional energy in my throw caused the dice to launch into the diamonds instead touching them lightly on the shorter table.
A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO TABLE POSITION
I now personally use, and coach others, on a very different approach to table position than the general advice that’s out there. It still involves keeping the distance of your throw as short as possible to maintain the greatest level of control, but it eliminates the need to alter your throw from table to table.
While you can find smaller tables, most craps tables are 12 or 14 feet long, and you’re now beginning to see some 16 foot craps tables is some casinos.
As you can see from the tables above, there is a big difference in the ‘R1’ or ‘L1’ distance between 12, 14 and 16 foot tables.
Every craps table at the casino has its own variables you’ll need to account for and potentially adjust your toss for;
*Bounciness of the table
*Type of cloth used on the table top
*Hardness of the back wall diamonds, and
*Sharpness of the dice edges
KEYS TO SUCCESS
Our goal is to eliminate distance as a variable and allow you to focus on the slight variations needed for the above conditions.
*Research the casinos that you’ll be playing at, and what size tables they have
*Ex: You play at 3 casinos that employ both 12 and 14 foot craps tables
*Identify the shortest table position that accommodates the craps tables you’ll play
*In the example above, using 12 and 14 foot tables, ‘R1’ and ‘L1’ on the 14 foot table would accommodate both
*Set up your practice area to mimic the distance you’ve determined in step #2
*A 14 foot table is approximately 13 feet from rubber to rubber
*The stick would then be approximately at 6 ½ feet
*‘R1’ and ‘L1’ would be approximately 7 ½ to 8 feet from the opposite diamonds
*Set your practice area to toss from 7 ½ to 8 feet from your landing zone
*Regardless of the length of the craps table at the casino, position yourself 7 ½ to 8 feet from the opposite diamonds
*On a 14 foot table, that will be ‘R1’ or ‘L1’
*Ona 12 foot table, that will likely be ‘R2’ or ‘L2’Craps Table Dice Sticks
In the above example, if your preferred position is at the ends of the tables, then you’ll need to set up practice distances of both 11 and 13 feet to accommodate both.
You should find this as helpful as our students have, at creating parity and consistency between your ‘at home’ practice sessions and the live conditions at the casino.
For more information on becoming a Controlled Shooter and flipping the odds on the casino, check out…
.Craps Secrets has merged with the Black Chip ClubPlease visit us at BlackChipClub.com
.Craps Table Dice Stick Tiles*****************
If you have any questions, suggestions or recommendations, feel free to leave them in the comments section below.
In the meantime…Craps Dice Stick
BEST OF LUCK AT THE CASINOS!!!
Register here: http://gg.gg/vcwjx
https://diarynote-jp.indered.space
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